Comments on: PoliColumn: School Fundraising http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184 A rough draft of my thoughts... Mon, 08 May 2006 20:05:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.2 by: » Back in the pocket » Arguing with signposts… » Blog Archive http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-218713 Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:35:38 +0000 http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-218713 [...] help but point you to this excellent opinion piece by Dr. Taylor about school fundraisers: Our students should be learning, not selling junk The impulse to turn every child into a Fuller Brush Salesma [...] […] help but point you to this excellent opinion piece by Dr. Taylor about school fundraisers: Our students should be learning, not selling junk The impulse to turn every child into a Fuller Brush Salesma […]

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by: Bryan S. http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-218702 Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:19:05 +0000 http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-218702 <em># While I completely agree with your distaste for putting kids to work selling door to door, I know of no reputable study that shows any positive correlation between increased school spending and measurable increases in education.</em> So they're selling all this junk and it still isn't helping! :-) I am reminded of a great Dilbert cartoon about this subject in which Dilbert makes the parent seem like an unfit parent for enabling his child to depend on others to do her work for her. My kid is in K-5 and he got his first sales sheet this year. and the commenter above is right that it's not just confined to poor districts. Indeed, the schools in the "better" parts of town actually probably make more off these shameless fundraising programs than the poorer ones. #

While I completely agree with your distaste for putting kids to work selling door to door, I know of no reputable study that shows any positive correlation between increased school spending and measurable increases in education.

So they’re selling all this junk and it still isn’t helping! :-)

I am reminded of a great Dilbert cartoon about this subject in which Dilbert makes the parent seem like an unfit parent for enabling his child to depend on others to do her work for her. My kid is in K-5 and he got his first sales sheet this year.

and the commenter above is right that it’s not just confined to poor districts. Indeed, the schools in the “better” parts of town actually probably make more off these shameless fundraising programs than the poorer ones.

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by: Politics In Alabama http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-218543 Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:40:49 +0000 http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-218543 <strong>Just say No to Child Salesmen</strong> Dr. Steven Taylor of PoliBlogger has a great article in the Mobile Register this morning in regards to Children Saleing “Crap” for a few pennies for schools. The basis of his article, which I encourage everyone to read is that the education... Just say No to Child Salesmen

Dr. Steven Taylor of PoliBlogger has a great article in the Mobile Register this morning in regards to Children Saleing “Crap” for a few pennies for schools. The basis of his article, which I encourage everyone to read is that the education…

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by: Drew http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-218473 Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:51:13 +0000 http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-218473 Hate to burst your bubble, but even where taxes are sky-high, like CT and NY (lived in that area for 2 miserable years), these things still go on. There is something else going on that leads to Fuller Brush Fifth Graders. BTW spent my first 24 years in Mobile, AL and am familiar with school districts there. Most of the money from these ccampaigns goes to programs which I feel have negligible acadmeic value at best (band activities, athletics, etc.) Not sure what all ththis has to do with underfunded schools. Am in total agreement with. At least with the Fuller Brush Fifth Graders you have some idea where some of the money is going. Taxes are fed into an unaccountable bureaucracy that's run by union hacks. Hate to burst your bubble, but even where taxes are sky-high, like CT and NY (lived in that area for 2 miserable years), these things still go on. There is something else going on that leads to Fuller Brush Fifth Graders. BTW spent my first 24 years in Mobile, AL and am familiar with school districts there. Most of the money from these ccampaigns goes to programs which I feel have negligible acadmeic value at best (band activities, athletics, etc.) Not sure what all ththis has to do with underfunded schools. Am in total agreement with. At least with the Fuller Brush Fifth Graders you have some idea where some of the money is going. Taxes are fed into an unaccountable bureaucracy that’s run by union hacks.

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by: Irrational Woman http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-217882 Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:09:35 +0000 http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-217882 <strong>On Students Selling Junk</strong> Dr. Steven Taylor over at Poliblog has posted a copy of one of his op-ed columns on school fundraising and I couldn't agree with him more. On Students Selling Junk

Dr. Steven Taylor over at Poliblog has posted a copy of one of his op-ed columns on school fundraising and I couldn’t agree with him more.

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by: Mark L http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-217880 Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:08:59 +0000 http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-217880 This annoys me every year. Especially since the notes come home that discourage the children from doing door to door sales. That's not as safe as asking Mom & Dad to take the sheets to work to sell the stuff. Never mind that every other parent in the district also has these things for their kids. Sometimes I pity the single/childless people at work - they are constantly asked to pony up by parents. Personally, I refuse to participate. My daughter is lucky if we buy some of this stuff, but that's about it. This annoys me every year. Especially since the notes come home that discourage the children from doing door to door sales. That’s not as safe as asking Mom & Dad to take the sheets to work to sell the stuff. Never mind that every other parent in the district also has these things for their kids. Sometimes I pity the single/childless people at work - they are constantly asked to pony up by parents.

Personally, I refuse to participate. My daughter is lucky if we buy some of this stuff, but that’s about it.

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by: The Misanthrope http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-217877 Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:06:53 +0000 http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-217877 The schools and the service organizations such as the boy and girl scouts are all bad about making huge profits from kids. What’s worse is and very distasteful are parents that always bringing their kids crap to work and sell it. For office political purposes one is frequently trapped into buying it. I told Daughter after getting sucked into selling her girl scout cookies one year, that I would not longer sell for her because that would be akin to me doing her homework. If she wanted to sell the cookies or wrapping paper door to door, I would go with her, but I would not sell it. She continued to sell because she liked the interactions and negotiations, but at least it was her job not mine. P.S. wasn't refreshing to see an articulate and smart president on MTP? After watching Bill Clinton, George Bush looks so mentally small. The schools and the service organizations such as the boy and girl scouts are all bad about making huge profits from kids. What’s worse is and very distasteful are parents that always bringing their kids crap to work and sell it. For office political purposes one is frequently trapped into buying it.

I told Daughter after getting sucked into selling her girl scout cookies one year, that I would not longer sell for her because that would be akin to me doing her homework. If she wanted to sell the cookies or wrapping paper door to door, I would go with her, but I would not sell it. She continued to sell because she liked the interactions and negotiations, but at least it was her job not mine.

P.S. wasn’t refreshing to see an articulate and smart president on MTP? After watching Bill Clinton, George Bush looks so mentally small.

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by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-217847 Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:57:34 +0000 http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-217847 I used to think along those lines, and I do cocnur that money is not "the" answer--however, after having mved here there is <i>no doubt in my mind</i> that there is such a thing as a underfunded school system and most of them in Alabama qualify. You can't run decent schools without money. The exact amount, I will grant, is negotiable. I used to think along those lines, and I do cocnur that money is not “the” answer-however, after having mved here there is no doubt in my mind that there is such a thing as a underfunded school system and most of them in Alabama qualify.

You can’t run decent schools without money. The exact amount, I will grant, is negotiable.

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by: Jerry Johnson http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-217816 Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:42:59 +0000 http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=8184#comment-217816 While I completely agree with your distaste for putting kids to work selling door to door, I know of no reputable study that shows any positive correlation between increased school spending and measurable increases in education. That is, for this country. I'm sure such a correlation exists for portions of the third world where virtually nothing is being spent on education. If such a study does exist, I'd be very interested in hearing about it. The ones I've seen show either no correlation or a negative one! While I completely agree with your distaste for putting kids to work selling door to door, I know of no reputable study that shows any positive correlation between increased school spending and measurable increases in education. That is, for this country. I’m sure such a correlation exists for portions of the third world where virtually nothing is being spent on education. If such a study does exist, I’d be very interested in hearing about it. The ones I’ve seen show either no correlation or a negative one!

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