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Tuesday, May 4, 2004
More on Rall

By Steven Taylor @ 9:01 pm

Joe Carter notes more insanity from Ted Rall. I normally think things like what I am about to say are trite and a poor excuse for rational discourse, but one does wonder why Mr. Rall continues to live in a country defended by what he sees as the moral equivalent of the Nazi SS. The man’s bile is so remarkable that one has to wonder if it isn’t all an act designed to acquire as much attention as possible.

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  1. What gets me is that he gets PAID to produce that crap.

    amazing

    Comment by Paul — Tuesday, May 4, 2004 @ 11:37 pm

  2. So you realize that it’s stupid to offer up the “love it or leave it,” and yet you do it anyway…. hmmm.

    As for Rall, he does hate Bush. He doesn’t hate America. He is anti-war. He did risk his life covering Afghanistan long before any other American journo-types could find it on a map. His book, To Afghanistan and Back, is an incredible read.

    He also has a good point that Tillman was glorified for doing something that was brave but ultimately a failing thing … and perhaps a bad thing too. Just because the Taliban sucked doesn’t mean that our Army and NFL player made the world a better place.

    Comment by Mike — Wednesday, May 5, 2004 @ 12:23 am

  3. Rall’s main point can be summarized by his sentence:

    “Our military is structurally corrupt.”

    Does that make him an America-Hater? Not so sure about that. Sounds like he wants reform. He’s angry about the treatment of prisoners of war. He certainly doesn’t say “ban the military” or “surrender to Iraq.” The title of his new book is “Taking America back from the Right,” which seems to indicate that he had a positive vision for political and social change.

    Comparing the military to the SS means that he’s angry, but on the subject of war crimes, perhaps a little “bile” can be absorbed….

    Comment by Stephen — Wednesday, May 5, 2004 @ 12:38 am

  4. “So you realize that it’s stupid to offer up the “love it or leave it,” and yet you do it anyway…. hmmm.”

    No, he said that normally it was, but in Rall’s case he’d make an exception.

    Moe

    PS: BTW, Mike & Stephen, thanks for trying to explain Rall’s opinions: we of the VRWC are never too proud to accept the assistance of others in getting Bush re-elected, especially when we don’t have to pay for it. You just keep making it look like Rall’s not beyond the Pale for your side, that’s all we ask

    Comment by Moe Lane — Wednesday, May 5, 2004 @ 7:21 am

  5. Further, I didn’t actually go quite to the “love it or leave it” level-I just pondered why he would want to live here-not so much that I think he should go.

    Comment by Steven — Wednesday, May 5, 2004 @ 7:43 am

  6. My apologies for not quite correctly stating your position, then.

    Comment by Moe Lane — Wednesday, May 5, 2004 @ 7:52 am

  7. No problem. You are correct in noting that Rall was the object of an exception. Mostly I was responding to Mike.

    And Stephen: just sample Rall’s work-it it replete with anger and goes beyond simply being upset about the prisoner issue-by far.

    Comment by Steven — Wednesday, May 5, 2004 @ 8:13 am

  8. I think Rall is a little confused if he thinks we went into Afghanistan for oil and not because Al-Quida plotted 9-11 there. I honestly cannot see the return in profit from Afghanistan. Ain’t no oil there or much of anything else. I think he (Rall) shot himself in the foot with this disgusting cartoon.

    Comment by Cathy — Wednesday, May 5, 2004 @ 10:00 am

  9. Actually, there is oil and natural gas in Afghanistan, but it is currently undeveloped.

    Comment by Steven — Wednesday, May 5, 2004 @ 10:03 am

  10. You don’t really *wonder* if that’s why he does it do you?

    Comment by Dodd — Wednesday, May 5, 2004 @ 10:58 am

  11. It’s hard to have a good converstaion in this format because by the time an exchange goes back and forth a time or two, the item is so far down the page that nobody is still reading it. I’d love to talk more about the merits (or lack thereof) of Rall’s work, but I’m not sure it will be read …. since new items push the Rall conversation further and further down. Not sure what to do about it, but just noting that things move fast on blogs and there’s not a lot of time for substantive back-and-forth.

    Anyway, I want to thank Steven for at least correcting the ignorant but no doubt well-meaning Cathy on the oil and gas thing. There is a reason why oil companies around the world have been planning on colonizing Afghanistan. It’s called Caspian oil and pipelines. Biggest untapped oil reserves in the world. Talibaners weren’t keen on turning the keys to the nation’s mineral rights over to the west.

    But I don’t want to digress from Rall. He is an angry man, but no more so than Rush or Ann Coulter or Mike Savage. And at least Rall doesn’t call for hurting people like Coulter ("bomb them, colonize them and convert them to Christianity") and Savage ("get AIDS and die you fag").

    Rall is bright and articulate and I’ll again defend the two books of his I’ve read, To Afghanistan and Back, and 2024 (a spin on Orwell that would be great for a Troy University poly sci class).

    Bottom line for me, I guess, before we move on to Mike Moore and other easy-to-bash-demigogues, is that I’m unclear on when a person becomes a “hate-monger” or whatever else it is that makes Steven so upset.

    Is Robert Scheer (much more moderate than Rall) also full of bile and venom, when he said THIS in his last column?:

    Yes, it’s great that we are still worlds away from being Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia or Saddam’s Iraq. We are a free society in which, it is hoped, truth eventually comes out, and thanks to what seems to be one brave whistle-blowing soldier and a responsible officer to whom he reported the torture, these crimes have come to light. Those are the acts of true heroes, and we should be proud of them.

    Yet, before we go overboard in celebrating our virtues, let’s admit that Americans too can be “evildoers,” especially when we embrace, as the president consistently has done, the terribly dangerous idea that the ends justify the means.

    The ultimate cost of a foreign policy based on blatant lies, and one that equates military might with what is right, is that the brute in all of us will not inevitably lie dormant.

    Comment by Stephen — Wednesday, May 5, 2004 @ 11:09 am

  12. Yes, it is (hard to have a good conversation).

    I would say that Rall, Savage and Coulter occupy similar space in terms of anger-especially Rall and Savage. I wouldn’t put Limbaugh in that group.

    Indeed, I compared Coulter and Rall here: http://www.poliblogger.com/poliblog/archives/002200.html

    Although the Tillman cartoon and the subsequent comments Rall has perhaps put him in a class all by himself.

    For what it is worth, I can’t even listen to Savage even a little bit. I have probably had more voluntary exposure to Rall than I have to Savage.

    Comment by Steven — Wednesday, May 5, 2004 @ 12:18 pm

  13. Thank you for setting me straight on the oil in Afghanistan. Maybe we can tap their reserves and drop the price of gas in the USA.LOL… I take the authors of the two post are two different Stephen, Steven… It kills me when people say that our foreign policy is based on blatant lies. Every decision our goverment makes, comes from a sinster plot, to stick it to the rest of the world. LOL I wonder why Russia, France and Germany did not want us going into Iraq. I can’t wait for that shoe to drop. I wonder if their foreign policies are based on blatant lies.

    Comment by Cathy — Thursday, May 6, 2004 @ 3:36 pm

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