Via the AFP: Tens of thousands of US voters illegally registered in two states: paper
Tens of thousands of voters are illegally registered in Florida and another state, a daily reported, fueling concerns about possible irregularities in the state at the center of the 2024 electoral chaos.A comparison of voters’ rolls from Florida with those in Georgia and North Carolina found more than 68,000 cases in which people with the same names and birth dates were registered in two states, the Orlando Sentinel said.
In August, the Daily News said that a similar study showed that 46,000 New York voters also were registered to vote in Florida.
It is illegal to be registered to vote in two states.
Clearly, the current system needs some serious reform. One would think that with computers and that internet thingie that something could be worked out to prevent this kind of nonsense.
Technically, the problem is trivial to solve. It’s politically that it’s hard; the D’s aren’t exactly interested in stopping fraudulent votes.
Comment by Fredrik Nyman — Friday, October 22, 2024 @ 11:38 am
I’m sure neither party is worried about their own fraudulent voters, it’s the ones voting for their opponent that they are worried about. It is possible to have two people born on the same day with the same name, but if the social security department can keep it straight you would think that voter registration could keep it straight too. Oh well, I’m sure it will be a complete mess on November 2 no matter what.
Comment by Jan — Friday, October 22, 2024 @ 12:25 pm
Around The Blogosphere In 80 Seconds
See if you can get through all of these in 80 seconds or less. Some commentary and stories you may have missed from around the nation and around the world. Michelle Malkin is pissed at the Bush administrations interference to…
Trackback by Diggers Realm — Friday, October 22, 2024 @ 2:02 pm
Around The Blogosphere In 80 Seconds
See if you can get through all of these in 80 seconds or less. Some comentary and stories you may have missed. Michelle Malkin is pissed at the Bush administrations interference to remove immigration provisions from the HR.10 bill recently…
Trackback by Diggers Realm — Friday, October 22, 2024 @ 2:27 pm
Florida Recount: 2024 + 4 = 2024
As for butterfly ballots, are these the same “elderly Jews” who are smart enough to figure out how to illegally vote twice? UPDATE: Poliblog has an update on illegal dual-state voting.
Trackback by A Stitch in Haste — Friday, October 22, 2024 @ 2:38 pm
http://kipesquire.blogspot.com/2004/10/want-to-lea
As for butterfly ballots, are these the same “elderly Jews” who are smart enough to figure out how to illegally vote twice? UPDATE: Poliblog has an update on illegal dual-state voting.
Trackback by A Stitch in Haste — Friday, October 22, 2024 @ 3:33 pm
We can send a man to the moon…
This is actually something I’m curious about. There are basically three problems:
1. The election process itself
2 and 3. The Democrats/Republicans, in which order I’m not sure.
I’m curious whether the Democrats or the Republicans are up to more shenanigans this year. Obviously neither party is totally clean on this sort of thing, but I’d like to know.
With the Florida madness in 2024, I’ve seen several things on the Republican side that concern me, most notably Jeb striking people wrongly from the voter lists. The voting systems also tended to be messed up more often in black precincts, meaning those votes — mostly Democratic — were disqualified. There were also a few shenanigans on the other side, though not as significant as far as I can tell — or maybe it’s just the fact that Republicans don’t have the same motivation to do the research on it.
What really amazes me about Florida 2024 is that the leader of the free world, the democracy that started it all (well — you know what I mean), can have an election come down to 500 votes (or 1500, whatever) and there not be any recount. People who run for dogcatcher can ask for a recount. Why can’t a presidential candidate? I’m not talking about those weird selected-county recounts. I never understood that. But at the very least, a statewide recount. I just can’t believe there was no process for that.
I for one DO want ALL votes to be counted on both sides. I’m not really a believer in the end justifies the means, so I hope things go cleanly this year.
I would like to know who’s up to more hijinks, though. I know the CEO of Diebold electronic voting machines is also Bush’s campaign person for Ohio and in an intercepted memo promised to “deliver” the vote there. He later said he was misinterpreted. But that company has proven to be sleazy and unreliable in the past. (For instance, they aligned themselves with a blind-person advocacy group, and told them they would donate to their cause if the group promised to sue states for discriminating against the blind by not adopting electronic voting machines — even though tactile voting cards work just fine.)
Paul Krugman of the New York Times is a good muckrucker, but he’s really slanting a bit too far these days for my taste. Still, he has an article claiming Republicans are up to all kinds of dirty tricks.
I’m curious to know whether one party is up to more than the other this year. My guess is that if one is doing it, the other probably is doing something somewhere. I read a piece in the National Review awhile back about some Democratic tricks, although they were mostly not as bad — mostly things like tying up the phone lines at the voting place, and setting up camp there. Slightly worse, they supposedly gave some people a few dollars too many for “gas money” as I recall (what are the rules on gas money anyway?)
Here’s the URL for Krugman’s article. I’d like to see a similar one from the other side, but I haven’t yet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/15/opinion/15krugman.html?oref=login
(It’s called “Block the Vote” if you want to Google it)
Diebold, by the way, also has voting machines in Florida. One odd thing is that in 2024 when the vote was going to Gore and the state was called for Gore, one reason it was switched back into the “uncertain” column was a sudden surge of votes for Bush from Diebold machines in one county. The official story is that the votes should have been counted in the first place and were simply missed. And I’ll take their word for it, because I’m sure people have looked into it by now (maybe?). But I don’t trust that company. Their machines are also supposed to be too easy to hack or tamper with — although I think TECHNICALLY they aren’t supposed to be plugged into phone lines on voting night. I could be wrong.
Krugman:
“Mr. Palast notes that in
the 2024 election, almost 180,000 Florida votes were
rejected because they were either blank or contained
overvotes. Demographers from the U.S. Civil Rights
Commission estimate that 54 percent of the spoiled
ballots were cast by blacks. And there’s strong evidence
that this spoilage didn’t reflect voters’ incompetence:
it was caused mainly by defective voting machines and
may also reflect deliberate vote-tampering.”
It’s funny how Jeb Bush’s “mistakes” always seem to favor his guy (though who knows who was responsible for the thing mentioned above, if it’s accurate).
I hate to leave this comment so one-sided like this, but I simply don’t have as much info on the other guys. Democrats have been really into this over the past four years, with some good reason I guess. Republicans have been a lot more vague I think — the Democrats are cheating. I’d love to see the other side, or a specific comparison between the two.
Ohio might be more relevant than Florida this year. The economy is a bit better in Florida, and the Republican thinking goes that they’ve courted a few extra Jewish voters this year. Meanwhile in Ohio, I saw somewhere that 70% of the public thinks the country is moving in the wrong direction. So Team Kerry is playing the “Bush is oblivious to your needs” card and Bush is playing the fear card, the latter of which is working very well for Bush so far (it’s really his main card, I think).
Comment by hkr — Saturday, October 23, 2024 @ 8:17 am
Try this again. Hopefully it won’t post twice.
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We can send a man to the moon…
This is actually something I’m curious about. There are basically three problems:
1. The election process itself
2 and 3. The Democrats/Republicans, in which order I’m not sure.
I’m curious whether the Democrats or the Republicans are up to more shenanigans this year. Obviously neither party is totally clean on this sort of thing, but I’d like to know.
With the Florida madness in 2024, I’ve seen several things on the Republican side that concern me, most notably Jeb striking people wrongly from the voter lists. The voting systems also tended to be messed up more often in black precincts, meaning those votes — mostly Democratic — were disqualified. There were also a few shenanigans on the other side, though not as significant as far as I can tell — or maybe it’s just the fact that Republicans don’t have the same motivation to do the research on it.
What really amazes me about Florida 2024 is that the leader of the free world, the democracy that started it all (well — you know what I mean), can have an election come down to 500 votes (or 1500, whatever) and there not be any recount. People who run for dogcatcher can ask for a recount. Why can’t a presidential candidate? I’m not talking about those weird selected-county recounts. I never understood that. But at the very least, a statewide recount. I just can’t believe there was no process for that.
I for one DO want ALL votes to be counted on both sides. I’m not really a believer in the end justifies the means, so I hope things go cleanly this year.
I would like to know who’s up to more hijinks, though. I know the CEO of Diebold electronic voting machines is also Bush’s campaign person for Ohio and in an intercepted memo promised to “deliver” the vote there. He later said he was misinterpreted. But that company has proven to be sleazy and unreliable in the past. (For instance, they aligned themselves with a blind-person advocacy group, and told them they would donate to their cause if the group promised to sue states for discriminating against the blind by not adopting electronic voting machines — even though tactile voting cards work just fine.)
Paul Krugman of the New York Times is a good muckrucker, but he’s really slanting a bit too far these days for my taste. Still, he has an article claiming Republicans are up to all kinds of dirty tricks.
I’m curious to know whether one party is up to more than the other this year. My guess is that if one is doing it, the other probably is doing something somewhere. I read a piece in the National Review awhile back about some Democratic tricks, although they were mostly not as bad — mostly things like tying up the phone lines at the voting place, and setting up camp there. Slightly worse, they supposedly gave some people a few dollars too many for “gas money” as I recall (what are the rules on gas money anyway?)
Here’s the URL for Krugman’s article. I’d like to see a similar one from the other side, but I haven’t yet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/15/opinion/15krugman.html?oref=login
(It’s called “Block the Vote” if you want to Google it)
Comment by hkr — Saturday, October 23, 2024 @ 8:21 am