Many in the press continue to talk incessantly about a possible Obama-Clinton ticket, often calling a “dream ticket.” I have expressed my skepticism about the wisdom of such a move, and I will do so again.
First off, I think her speech last night did not indicate the mind and temperament of someone willing to be the number two on the ticket and then assume a job that is, while number two legally, far less than number two in reality. As Dana Milbank wrote in WaPo:
Clinton congratulated Obama — not for winning the nomination, but for running an “extraordinary race.” She recognized Obama and his supporters “for all they accomplished.”
It was an extraordinary performance by a woman who had been counted out of the race even when she still had a legitimate chance. Now she had been mathematically eliminated — and she spoke as if she had won.
There were ways to assert the strength of her support while still starting the process of swinging her supporters in the direction of Obama. She chose not to do so.
Indeed, despite a statement earlier in the day about Clinton being willing to accept Obama as the nominee once he had the numbers, Terry McAuliffe introduced Clinton last night with the phrase “Are you ready for the next president of the United States?”
Why would Obama want such self-centered and duplicitous persons within his campaign, let alone in his White House?
In terms of the Clinton voters, the main way they are going to start accepting the fact that Obama is the nominee is for Clinton to give up the race. As long as she pretends like she is somehow still in the race (by talking about the popular vote and winning swing states in the primary, as she did last night) they won’t give up hope. In fact, to me, one of the fascinating elements of this race has been to watch the emotional attachments that voters in the two camps have created with their candidates, especially the Clinton voters (who, as it has become clearer that they will lose, have become more vociferously attached to their candidate). There were some similar attachments formed by GOP voters earlier in the year, and yet much of that passion has dissipated once it was clear that their candidate had no chance. Even the initial anger at McCain has faded substantially within hardcore Republican circles. There is a lesson here for Democrats as they look at the disgruntled Clinton voters and think that it is impossible that the rift between the two Democratic camps cannot be healed.
Beyond the general difficulties for Obama of dealing with Hillary (as well as Bill), I think that the main chance that the Democrats have of wooing independents and some Republicans is an Obama ticket sans Clinton. While I lack empirical evidence to support the argument at the moment, I think that the general dissatisfaction with the Bush administration, mixed with the unpopularity of the Iraq War will translate into a number of Republicans being willing to vote for Obama in the Fall. However, those same disgruntled Republicans have a great deal of animosity aimed in the direction of the Clintons and will be utterly unwilling to vote for a ticket that contains a Clinton and they will either stick with McCain, cast a protest vote for Barr or stay home in November.
Put another way: an unpopular war and economic problems equals problems for the incumbent party–in a generic sense there is plenty of historic evidence to support such an assertion. Under such conditions, voters normally predisposed to vote for that party will defect or abstain. As such, it is reasonable to assume that Obama has a real chance of winning a decent number of Republican votes in the fall. However, Republicans, in general, have a great deal of dislike for the Clintons, and her presence on the ballot would suppress, to a substantial degree I believe, the generic pattern described in the first portion of this paragraph. As such, Obama-Clinton is far less of a “dream” for the Democrats as many pundits may think.
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As such, Obama-Clinton is far less of a “dream” for the Democrats as many pundits may think.
Are there any independent pundits who are REALLY describing an Obama-Clinton ticket this way? My uninformed perspective is that only Clinton partisans are floating this idea as the starting point for some sort of negotiations with Obama or the DNC.
Comment by Ratoe — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 9:52 am
I watched MSNBC for quite a while last night fairly early in the evening, and they kept going on and on (and on and on) about the possibility. I will confess as to not being able to say who used the phrase “dream ticket” in the discussion.
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I’ve been hearing the same idea floated. It’s floated often enough that others have to keep knocking it down (Dick Morris discusses at http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/06/03/no-menage-a-trois-for-obama/ and http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/05/14/no-veep-slot-for-hillary/ , for instance).
I think it’s floated by people who actually think Obama and Clinton are good candidates. People who haven’t heard of Adlai Stevenson or William Jennings Bryan.
I can see Obama running with Bill Richardson, especially since Richardson has enough of a resume to prop up the ticket.
Comment by Max Lybbert — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 11:29 am
Obama is a smart man, and knows better than to put Clinton on the ticket. You raised some things in this post that I hadn’t thought about in terms of the electability of a Obama/Clinton ticket; I think you’re right, and that while it might seem a bit counter intuitive on the surface, Clinton would probably hurt Obama’s electability.
More than that, though, I don’t think Clinton’s ego could stand being the VP. And, do you really want to try to run your own administration with Bill looking over your shoulder all the time? Would that even be possible?
And in terms of political power and influence, it could be argued that being a Senator from New York gives Clinton more say in Washington than being the VP.
I think that who Obama picks as his running mate will be VERY important. You observed in this post that there is a lot of of Republican rancor directed at the Clintons, and that would influence his electability; I really think that when the campaign gets underway in earnest, and Obama’s association with characters of the Jeremiah Wright type are increasingly put in the public spotlight, and how much he really is a character on the very left end of mainstream politics is highlighted by the McCain campaign, that same rancor is going to be applied to Obama. He could mititgate this enormously by picking a running mate who is seen as a moderate, centrist-leaning democrat, because Obama is not seen that way, and nothing he can do will succeed in changing that image; there is simply too much ammunition in the Republican ammo can. I think who he picks as a running mate can really affect his electability enormously, and would go out on a short limb and say that if he picks someone who can be as easily painted as extreme left as Obama is, he cannot win against McCain.
Comment by Captain D — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 12:22 pm
One characteristic of a good #2 in ANY field is the willingness to make the top guy look good at your own expense. To toe the party line when diverging would be an advantage; to take one for the team to use a sports metaphor.
Does anybody really thing Mrs. Clinton has that characteristic in her genes?
However I think the choice will say a lot about how Mr. Obama sees his chances in the general election. He will only take Mrs. Clinton on the ticket if he sees that as his only chance to win. If he sees his chances as low but not out of the question he’ll take a female Clinton supporter. If he sees his chances as good he’ll choose a guy from the center of the country (Strickland, Bayh) or one of his female supporters (Sebilius, Napolitano).
Comment by Buckland — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 12:24 pm
Since when is the VP spot a consolation prize? Moreover how can someone who claims to be more electable than Sen Obama now be on a the same ticket as the VP? It automatically undermines his prospects and becomes ammunition for the RNC. I can just hear it “even his own running mate said he is unelectable”. And what will she now say when campaigning on his behalf…”I know I said he is not electable but he’s all we got”? Come on, what will have changed?! It doesn’t work and to think so is simply being short-sighted. Also, let’s not forget that Pres. Bill Clinton will continue to act at will (as was shown during his own wife’s campaign) making an Obama presidency unpredictable. While I respect Sen Clinton, it’s a new day and the ticket needs TWO fresh faces
Comment by Skebede — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 12:45 pm
It’s a common mistake for political parties across the world - or more specifically, for their staunchest grass-roots supporters - to assume that the average voter thinks as they do. There will be many lifelong Democrats for whom the very notion of having two such high-profile candidates running together seems a veritable joy, an unstoppable election winning machine.
But the average voter, and moreover the swing voters on whom the result ultimately rests, will never think the same way. Clinton is not at all popular amongst these voters; indeed, John McCain initially based much of his campaign on being the Republican most likely to get votes from those who refuse to vote for Clinton.
It would be a truly bizarre turn of events for Obama, after all he’s had to contend with, to pick a running-mate that visibly weakens his campaign, rather than strengthening it.
Comment by Rob (UK) — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 1:39 pm
I heartily agree this would not be a dream ticket; it would better be described as a nightmare ticket for Senator Obama. Her speech last night indicated, just as her entire campaign has shown, that Senator Clinton is, first and foremost, a polarizing influence, and does Senator Obama need that in a running mate? Note that Jimmy Carter, in arguing against such a ticket, suggests that a large number of people very likely would not vote for a ticket with her on it simply because she is Hillary Clinton. Why would Senator Obama want to add that large mass of people to those who apparently have no intention of voting for him due to his race? And Bill Clinton looming large in the background as well, let’s not go there. Senator Obama would be in danger of being swallowed by the maelstrom that is their egos. He would do well to remember the advice he received early in his Senatorial career from none other than George W. Bush which, to paraphrase, was, “Watch your back, not just from the Republicans but from members of your own party as well.”
Comment by JimGee — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 2:25 pm
Obama will not pick Hillary as a running mate. NO WAY I will vote for Obama without Hillary on that ticket, HEY OBAMA, FORGET IT. Hillary stop being so nice about this, run as an Independent, we will support you!
Comment by Hillary All the Way — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 2:25 pm
I will not vote for Obama unless Hillary Clinton is the VVP choice.Hey McCain is old and won’t last the full term.So I would vote for McCain.
Comment by RONNIE — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 2:26 pm
Everybody’s talking about Hillary’s supporters being bitter and threatening to vote for McCain. I say let them do just that. Why should Obama pick her as his VP? Hillary’s selfish, overly ambitious, polarizing and she ran a dirty, divisive, race baiting, kitchen sink tactics campaign. She did not acknowledge him as the presumptive democratic nominee so why should he pick her? She and her husband have disrespected Obama and his supporters for months. She dissed African-Americans by implying that they were not “hard working Americans.” Since her supporters are going to vote for McCain, why doesn’t McCain offer her to be his VP? She ran a Republican-type campaign using fear tactics, smears and lies anyway. She’s not entitled to the VP spot just like she wasn’t entitled to be President. It’s time for the democratic nominee to move on and pick the right VP and it’s not Hillary Clinton.
Comment by Stacey — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 2:29 pm
HILLARY AS VP – BIG MISTAKE!
The only logic for Obama selecting Hillary would be the old adage, keep your friends close and your enemies closer!
Hillary only has one interest in mind, Hillary!
Obama should realize that Hillary would second guess him every step of the way while pushing her own agendas and Bubba would be fighting to be in the lime-light in-between chasing interns around the Whitehouse grounds!
Hillary, the Queen of Spin and a Legend in Her Own Mind!
http://klintons.com
Comment by Bob — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 2:33 pm
After last nights absolute refusal to concede the nomination to Obama, I am convinced that there in no benefit to having Hillary Clinton in the ticket. Can you imagine Bill Clinton interfering with Barack or Hillary trying to share power?
The fact is that there are many qualified people that can help the party and the quicker President Obama distances himself from the Clinton era, the better. I am disgusted by Hillary Clinton’s tactics throughout the campaign and and I think the American people are not stupid and see exactly what she is up to.
Has it ever happenned in American politics where a historical event such as this, the first opportunity for a african american president and she knew about him clinching the nomination and still chooses to purposely be introduced as the next president.
Time for change and part of that change is to bring fresh blood into Washington.
Comment by Rich From NYC — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 2:34 pm
I have been really shocked this primary season. Not because this has been a historic race, but because of the tactics that have been displayed by the Clinton campaign. I have never been more tired of hearing, “ready on day one”… No one is ready on day one! Contrary to popular belief, being the President of the United States, requires on the job training! Unless you have done it before, you are not qualified! Being married to a former president only makes you ready on day one to tell Michelle Obama what to expect! Let’s talk about all the experience Bush had on day one… and look where we are!!!!!
Okay, so, she has won the “popular vote” in this primary season, but not by large margins. Need I remind you that in the 2024 ELECTION, not primary, Al Gore won the popular vote by 543895, a much larger margin than in this primary season, and we all know how that worked out!
It’s time to unify this Democratic party - and the answer is not just up to Obama to make her the VP! She has to have some grace and elegance herself … and since she has said that she is in it to win it, then do that! Not for herself as the nominee, but the democratic party as a whole to win the election. Be in that to win that!!! She has not proven herself worthy of the bid for VP! Obama just became the presumptive nominee last night, yet before he could even walk on stage, she was tipping her hand in as the VP via her aids… He has the right, like every nominee, to pick a running mate that is of HIS choice! Since we are giving her time to concede, let’s give him some time to decide who would best fit HIS policies and agendas! The “Dream Ticket” should be up to him and NOT Hillary or anyone else. Ever wonder why you don’t get to vote for a VP until the election? Because it’s up to the front runner to make that decision as to who will run with him/her.
And for those Hillary supporters that say that they will not vote at all since Obama is the nominee, I say great! Stay at home, your ignorance is not needed in this election! And for those of you who say that you will vote for McCain, I say great! Vote for McCain - and when the war drags on until 3008 and gas prices soar to $20 a gallon - I will come and knock on your door for gas money!!!
Comment by C.L.M. — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 2:36 pm
Obama would be very unwise to accepet Hillary as VP!!!!
Comment by John — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 2:49 pm
I think that Barack Obama is intelligent enough to know who will be his choice for VP. I heard Ben Johnson on CNN at 7:00a.m.,telling the public that the Black Caucus would like for him to choose HC as his VP. I was furious, how dare they put out pressure the day after? Barack Obama will hurt himself in more ways than one if he were to choose HC as his VP. People, get a life and let the man do what he needs to do without interferring.
Comment by z. turner — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 3:06 pm
Thank-you. Finally, someone who appears to have some sense! I am quite perplexed and indignant at even the hint that an “Obama-Clinton” ticket could be a possibility! And I wish the media would quit spinning it as if it is a possibility. Sen. Clinton’s behavior and conduct throughout this primary has been quite antagonistic towards Sen. Obama, and if she were to become his Vice President, it would not be in a spirit of cooperation and working together for the good of the country. She would come in with a bruised ego and would be using her opportunity to sabotage his presidency and advance her own agenda.
Comment by Dandylion — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 3:16 pm
As a registered Republican, I would consider voting for B.O. - at the very least I will listen and read about his vision (other than change, like how the change will occur). That is if Clinton is not on the ticket. If Clinton is on the ticket than I will not even consider it.
Comment by David — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 4:04 pm
Michelle as first lady? God help this country.
As for people laying off Obama’s wife? Get used to it. When she acts and talks like she does, how do you expect people to act. Other countries will be laughing at us for sure.
Comment by Tammy — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 4:07 pm
Haven’t you people ever seen Prison Break? That vile scandalous woman has already used the word “assassination”, would you want her to actually be enticed to encourage it being done, or even worse, have it done? Get a life. Not only have 18 million Americans showed their gullibility, they’ve also made it clear they only care about her on top, regardless of how they have to do it. Don’t tempt them.
And beyond that, Hillary is everything Barack stands against. I for one, will completely lose faith in the validity of his campaign should he choose to put her in the VP slot.
Comment by Josh Manley — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 4:33 pm
You took the words right out of my mouth as soon as I saw that “dream” delusion. NIGHTMARE…if people think “Hillary’s” people are upset…You have NO IDEA of the rage apparent from Obama supporters by putting her ANYWHERE NEAR the White House.
She has done MORE damage to the Democratic Party than McCain or the Republicans could ever DREAM (ticket).
They could not have paid for a more destructive, selfserving, psychotic episode than the one Hillary/Bill carried out. Perhaps they knew this (Limbaugh supporting her).
I frankly, think these closet KKK Voters she brags about “the hard working Americans, The hard working WHITE Americans” should/WILL vote for McCain simply because he is a WHITE MAN.
So spare us the FAKE “unity” BS. Put that toxic nutjob (POWER ADDICTS) on the OBAMA ticket and kiss the White House GOODBYE!
The mere mention of her name makes me want to vomit.
An X-HILLARY/BILL fan.
Comment by Joe Democrat — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 4:40 pm
Why is it that people close to Hillary Clinton are quick to urge Barack Obama to appoint her as his VP, but they have not urged her to acknowledge him as the presumptive nominee? Sounds strange to me.
Comment by bigwill704 — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 4:48 pm
Clinton and her husband would steal the spotlight and pretty much run the show, as far as the media is concerned… I can see it now.
Obama would fade into the background…. President Who? or Who’s the President? Who has the pants on?
He should not hire anyone for the job who is going to dampen his stature or word, through that person’s popularity and passion to stand out…
Comment by Steve — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 5:25 pm
Hillary is trying to hold Obama hostage with her You Can’t Win In November Without Me stance. Not that she’d be running the show whatsoever as Veep. Hubby Bill would ride shotgun with Barack. Don’t let it happen!
Comment by Chili — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 5:45 pm
Why would Obama want such self-centered and duplicitous persons within his campaign, let alone in his White House?
Precisely what makes it a nightmare ticket is that the Clintons are very likely proceeding under the assumption that it is not his choice. That is, they may be looking for a hostile takeover.
Comment by Matthew — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 5:46 pm
I agree that Obama/Clinton would not be a dream ticket, and that she would not do well as #2. She didn’t do well as #2 as the spouse of a President. Gore was #3. Additionally, he doesn’t need her to win. In fact, she could keep him from winning if she (and Bill) were on the ticket.
Comment by Sharon — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 5:54 pm
World leaders are laughing at us for what we’ve done! They laughed at us four years ago when we gave Bush another four years, now they are going to laugh at us for considering Obama for the Presidency.
What is it about Barrack that you people love so much? Why are you willing to forgive and forget all that he has done? Denouncing his church after 20 years and why last weekend? He should have done that 20 years ago! How do you stop believing in your ‘faith’ in a matter of seconds?
Tammy, I agree with you, I DON’T see Michelle as the first lady! And why are her records kept under lock and key? I bet there’s more to Michelle than the public knows about. I heard about her thesis…google it yourself, you’ll see what I am talking about!
Hilary may be a million things, but she would have made a darn good President. We needed someone with experience to run this country not some kid who is just getting his feet wet!
Comment by Dr. Grandjean — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 6:10 pm
Obama/Gore ‘08
Barack puts Gore on the ticket with a promise to make him Climate Change Czar (sorry Steven about the Czar deployment).
It would be brilliant.
Comment by Ratoe — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 6:13 pm
Al Gore would make Obama unelectable. He needs someone who can make the ticket look at least vaguely mainstream; Al Gore is way too far on the lunatic fringe, and has totally dynamited all of his bridges back to the White House since losing to George W. Bush in 2024. He is seen by lots of people as an environmental nut job, and by many more as the individual most responsible for the politicizing of the science behind climate change - which I won’t get into here because it’s not the point of the thread - suffice it to say, there are a lot of folks who understand the political motivations behind his documentaries and environmental diatribes, and who realize that the science is very wobbly. A lot of folks in the scientific community are rightfully mad at the guy.
In any case, putting Gore on the ticket would shove Obama further to the left, not to the center, which is what needs to happen to beat McCain.
And don’t get me started on Czars. We’ve got a Czar for everything and none of them are good for anything; show me how any of our Czars have actually accomplished anything and I’ll give you a cookie.
Comment by Captain D — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 6:50 pm
I think Senator Obama would do well for the American government to steer clear of having any Clinton in the White House. If you look at the history of Ron Brown and the Clinton’s think about the special interest groups who would have the ear of number two official in the United States.
Senator Obama why don’t you poll your supporters? You have a mandate from people like me because you stand for change. Why not ask all of them to call a number and cast a vote yes or know for the VP question? Don’t debate that you need to bring together the Democrats. That is old style. Stand for what you have said all along. Time to get the old boy (in this case old girl) network out of the White House.
Have the backbone you have had so far to make a healthy choice. Don’t be bullied.
Comment by Peter Principle — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 6:54 pm
Bob Johnson is nothing other than an opportunistic jerk! He started out with a wonderful creation - BET- and turned it into another venue to condemn young blacks with by his promoting those sick videos. For him to tell the black caucus anything is a joke. It’s all about the money for him and the Clintons. Looks at the crooked deals that Billy has done since he left office. I guess that he and Bob have figured out a way to continue the stealing that they couldn’t complete before.
Comment by Diane — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 6:54 pm
self centered???
AS IF NO POLITICIAN IS SELF CENTERED?
PLEASE……..
OBAMA DESERVES #2 SPOT - AMERICA IS @#$%^&* UP PICKING SOMEONE WITH NO EXPERIENCE.. DIDN’T THEY GET IT WHEN THEY CHOSE THE STUPIDEST GUY FOR PRESIDENT ….TWICE!!!!!!!!!
THEY SHOULD MAKE A CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE TO REVOKE THE RIGHT TO VOTE BY IDIOTS
Comment by carlos — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 7:01 pm
. . . And Carlos would be among the first to lose his franchise . . .
Comment by Captain D — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 9:24 pm
Obama should never pick Clinton as veep. If Clinton is selected veep, which is a terrible mistake, she will just bring down Obama’s presidency so she can take over! That’s how lustful she and her sex-addicted husband are for power!
Comment by Mary Louise — Wednesday, June 4, 2024 @ 11:02 pm
Tuesday night’s speech by Senator Clinton was stunning. As a woman, I feel that she has actually set back the cause for gender equality through her inappropriate behavior throughout her campaign. I am a woman and I say that Senator Clinton does not speak for me. She has played (and overplayed) the gender card and all too often the race card. This election is not about race nor gender but about choosing a president who can make right many of the problems and challenges that are facing our nation. Not only has Senator Clinton ran a very negative campaign but she has overtly tried to permanently damage Senator Obama when it has been evident for some time that he would be the likely democratic nominee. She has been extremely divisive and even after Senator Obama reached the magic number of delegates to clinch the nomination, Senator Clinton continued to say that she would be the better president. She did not have the grace and common decency to congratulate Senator Obama on his victory. She riled up her audience and, without the slightest hint of humility, implied that she would not bow out. I have heard over and over that Senator Clinton should be afforded the “respect that she deserves” and allowed the time to concede to Senator Obama. In order to get respect one must be respectable. Senator Clinton has not shown any respect for Senator Obama by her failure to acknowledge his success in clinching the nomination. Her ego is astonishing. Her sense of entitlement is startling. The miscalulations in Senator Clinton’s disastrous campaign should sound an alarm as to her judgment. As a nation we cannot afford more miscalulations. I have had more than enough of Senator Clinton and I pray that Senator Obama will not entertain the idea of having her on his ticket.
Comment by Fran — Thursday, June 5, 2024 @ 12:02 am
I WONDER IF HILARY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE DEM. PICK, WOULD ANYONE BE PRESSURING HER TO MAKE OBAMA HER VP TO PROVIDE UNITY FOR THE PARTY, FOR THOSE WHO THINK THAT OBAMA NEEDS HILARY TO WIN DON’T KNOW THE POWER OF GOD FOR NO ONE THOUGHT THAT HE WOULD HAVE COME TO THE POINT HE IS TODAY, BUT BECAUSE HE WAS RUNNING AGAINST HILARY MIGHT BE THE REASON HE HAS COME THIS FAR IF HE MAKES HER HIS VP THIS MAY CAUSE THE PARTY TO LOSE FOR SHE IS NOT CHANGE SHE IS POLITICS AS THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN THE PAST
Comment by ANGEL — Thursday, June 5, 2024 @ 12:05 am
BO should anticipate Bill looking over his shoulder day & night and second guessing every move O makes, using Hillary as his surrogate.
You know there will be less than wise factions in the black community leaning on O for special consideration which will casue havoc in D.C.
Comment by Aviator — Thursday, June 5, 2024 @ 1:26 am
This is exactly the flaw of the U.S. system. We elect persons, and not party. Is it an Obama White House or is it a Democrat White House? We already saw Bush led the nation into the dump, and there is nothing we can do about it other than waiting for his 8 years to expire. That is just stupid. If a CEO is leading a company into the dump, we dump the CEO, but we are willing to sit in misery because of our stupid political system. The Brits are a lot smarter. With a vote of no confidence and there goes the Prime Minister. A nation should be able to move like that, especially with 300 million people’s well-being at stake.
That being said, can Obama (or the Democrat) say no to Clinton? If they say no, they are playing with fire, and they are not looking at the party’s interest, but their own prejudice.
This is the election math. Now Obama and McCain are running neck and neck. Clinton has 45% of Democrats support. Say Obama and McCain now have 100 votes each. When 10 Democrats jump the fence to vote for McCain because Clinton is not picked, the numbers are McCain 110 and Obama 90. That 10 votes turns into 20, that is 110-90=20. If Obama picks Clinton, people that don’t like Clinton but like Obama will vote for Obama, and people that don’t like Obama but like Clinton will also vote for Obama. It’s that simple. When Clinton is not picked, Obama risks alienating that 45% of Democrats and risk the Democrat’s chance of winning the White House. That would be the biggest mistake of the century, because Republicons will have picked the entire Supreme Court justices during the next 8 years.
Comment by Skeptic — Thursday, June 5, 2024 @ 10:24 am